Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Vincennes shot.jpg

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Image:Vincennes shot.jpg

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According to Commons policy, the image must be freely licensed in the USA and in the source country. Several individuals in this discussion have said that Sajed.ir is not a reliable source - it does not reliably indicate true copyrights and that the photo is NOT sajed.ir's to license under GDFL. The image was originally uploaded to Wikipedia and later uploaded to commons. See Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2008_February_29#Image:Vincennes_shot.jpg WhisperToMe 15:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep The Iranian government can grant any license it likes on its images. en.wiki accepts images as PD-US that the US government seized, so if the Iranian government seizes a photo and releases it, what's the difference? -Nard 17:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • How do you know the Iranian government owns this website or took that photo? The owner of the website is the "The Foundation for the Remembrance of The Holy Defence’s Monument Preservation and Sacred Values Propagation." - That doesn't sound like an obvious organ of the Iranian government.[1] And what if the Iranian government took material from Microsoft website and released it under its own license? I would also like to know more about "seized" US Government images; on what occasions does it do so? WhisperToMe 20:23, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm kinda curious about the seized images too. (I addressed your point regarding Iranian gov't images being free below.) Anynobody 05:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Mostly WWII photos which aren't allowed on Commons but are allowed on en.wiki, but the US government does occasionally pick up photos still (drug seizures and the like). But you're right, without ultimate source and proof this website is run by Iran we can't keep the photos. I struck my vk. -Nard 13:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Oh you mean like these pictures of the Bismarck on the Naval Historical Center. I've tried uploading one of these here before, and must admit the fact that they aren't allowed here left me scratching my head, who can claim copyright on images taken by a government which no longer exists (the Nazi reich)? Thanks for the clarification :) Anynobody 02:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Author / original source is unknown. The source website does not provide any information about this image. It's subject is not known, its author is not known, its date is not known. The GFDL notice is a blanket claim for the entire site and does not evaluate each image. Since nothing about the image is known, and we can not verify that the site it the original copyright holder, we can not know if they have the authority to release the image. As noted above, it is not clear if this is an official Iranian government website. Based on the relatively low quality of the site and lack of attribution on of any of the images, it does not appear to be an official government website. --Dual Freq 22:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete To support the most relevant points made so far there's the problem with the site releasing other images we can verify they have no right to release as GFDL such as these images of Rachel Corrie: Photo 1 Photo 2. The photos were actually taken by the w:International Solidarity Movement as this CNN article says. If the photos were released by ISM under GFDL then sajed.ir should have provided some kind of documentation. Instead sajed.ir doesn't mention the ISM at all and appear to have appropriated these photos.
    What does that have to do with this image? It's hard to trust that a site releasing other organization's photos as their own especially when the author / original source is unknown as Dual Freq pointed out.
  • Then there is the issue of the Iranian government can grant any license it likes on its images. It can but these images are claimed to be licensed under the GFDL not Iranian law. Moreover if this really was intellectual property of Iran, they don't release their works under Public Domain like the US does. Check out a real Iranian government website: © Copyright 2007 Presidency of The Islamic Republic of Iran. All Rights Reserved. Meaning anything from that site would be non-free, regardless of its governmental status. Anynobody 05:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • KeepThe section that shows the Rachel Corrie is a different compartment and the photographer is unknown.I think it's reasonable to keep the photo until any challenging photographer appears.We can't discard whole of a source just because two unrelated images are disputed.--Alborz fallah 12:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • But it's the same website - if it has copyright labeling issues with one section, then its reliability is already under water. We use a "guilty until proven innocent" principle on here. WhisperToMe 16:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. by ABF (talk • contribs). giggy (:O) 04:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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